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"Python/PHP is the same shit"

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    zllovesuki · Jan 3, 2011 · 10335 views
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    今天跟别人聊天,我问他,Python是不是应该比PHP快,他说:

    "python/php is the same shit. it's still an interpreted language python or php work the same way: scan source, compile in bytecode, run bytecode. java works that way too, but can run some optimizations at compile time since compilation do not have to happen at each run. but python/perl/php are the same shit (ruby too) " MagicalTux (Google) @ 3:33

    然后他又说:

    "if you can run non-compiled files, it means it's slow. that's all. however this "slow" usually involves a few ms, while your own errors can cost way more. what's really important is not to choose a language because it is "fast" or not, but choose a language because you "master" it"

    大家有什么看法
    28 replies  •  1970-01-01 08:00:00 +08:00
    keakon
    keakon
    Jan 3, 2011
    1
    Actually, for most web apps, language is not the bottleneck.
    Rendering an page normally costs less than 10ms, while the database accessing and network latency are much more expansive than it (maybe hundreds or thousand ms).

    I don't think Java could do it better since it took more time for rendering a same dynamic JSP page and connecting to MySQL in my previous testing.
    Don't think dynamic languages are always slow than static languages, you'll find the answer when you need dynamic features.

    In my opinion, Java is almost the worst choice which makes everything much much more complex (normally 10x code lines), uses much much more memories (normally 3x memory usage), and also takes much much more money to buy suitable servers.

    I've been a Java coder for years, I couldn't find any interesting of it.
    The only superiority of Java coders I found was coming from the performance of toy programs. Otherwise, I can't explain why your friend likes complaining by using "shit" while Pythoners don't.
    est
    est
    Jan 3, 2011
    2
    At least python doesn't use \ for namespace delimiter. lol
    TheOnly92
    TheOnly92
    Jan 3, 2011
    3
    Just choose the language that will let you get things done, that's all.
    ayanamist
    ayanamist
    Jan 3, 2011
    4
    按这人的逻辑,所有的动态语言都是垃圾了……
    貌似在他眼里,只有C/C++才是王道了。
    其实要看具体应用的,动态语言的开发效率不是静态语言能比拟的
    CupTools
    CupTools
    OP
    Jan 3, 2011
    5
    @ayanamist 他玩PHP/C/C++/ASM
    fanix
    fanix
    Jan 3, 2011
    6
    最后一段说得还是对的,语言不重要,你才重要
    hanfeizi
    hanfeizi
    Jan 3, 2011
    7
    看不懂英文。。
    francis
    francis
    Jan 3, 2011
    8
    重点在于,用Py的人鄙视PHP也不是一次两次了,还好已经习惯了……
    ayanamist
    ayanamist
    Jan 3, 2011
    9
    @francis PHP有很多地方让人不爽的……某从PHP跳到Python后深深的感到Python的好,PHP的丑陋
    fsw90628
    fsw90628
    Jan 3, 2011
    10
    机器编译的速度慢容易弥补,写代码的速度慢很难弥补。
    harryxu
    harryxu
    Jan 4, 2011
    11
    @ayanamist 话说Python的确很不错,但是我觉得php也没什么丑的,2个语言风格不太一样,但是写起来感觉都挺爽
    AntiGameZ
    AntiGameZ
    Jan 5, 2011
    12
    我觉得这人说的话并不是在贬低python或者php吧
    reus
    reus
    Jan 7, 2011
    13
    php有trait,python有么?(找茬来的
    keakon
    keakon
    Jan 7, 2011
    14
    @reus 首先确认你问的是不是这个: http://wiki.php.net/rfc/traits

    粗略看了下,类似于Ruby的mixin。

    A Trait is a unit of reuse much like a class, but only intended to group functionality in a fine-grained and consistent way.
    Python是支持多继承的,所以没有traits。

    简单来说,这个问题好比拿了台手机,然后问别人你的电脑键盘可以敲3下2打出个c么?
    cellsea
    cellsea
    Jan 15, 2011
    15
    我还是不在乎你的女朋友比我的女朋友漂亮/跑得快。
    itommy
    itommy
    Jan 15, 2011
    16
    @francis @ayanamist 说话者没有贬低任何一种他提到的language...
    reus
    reus
    May 1, 2011
    17
    @keakon http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~black/publications/TR_CSE_02-012.pdf 请阅读此论文并自行判断,我的理解是这个是比mixin和多继承更好用的实现代码复用的机制
    xatest
    xatest
    May 1, 2011
    18
    快有2种:开发效率高和执行效率高~
    Python属于前者,C/C++属于后者~
    对于一个实际项目,语言选择最好是采用上动下静这样的体位~
    xatest
    xatest
    May 1, 2011
    19
    补充: http://blog.csdn.net/linkerlin/archive/2011/04/23/6347577.aspx
    “体位”一词来自这篇文章~
    CupTools
    CupTools
    OP
    May 7, 2011
    20
    我现在过渡到NodeJS了....
    改天玩一下神气haXe
    chuck911
    chuck911
    May 7, 2011
    21
    shit means thing.
    "it's a new shit"
    args
    args
    May 7, 2011
    22
    除了脏话,说的挺有道理的嘛~
    chone
    chone
    May 7, 2011
    23
    语言争论是没有意义的,完全可以说所有语言都是shit,因为根本不存在一种完全能在任何场合都胜任的语言。语言的好在于它适应了你的需求,脱离了具体的场景去比较是完全没有意义的。
    felinx
    felinx
    May 8, 2011
    24
    what's really important is not to choose a language because it is "fast" or not, but choose a language because you "master" it"

    看这一句就够了,其它的看了反倒容易造成误解。
    summic
    summic
    May 8, 2011
    25
    */* is the same shit.
    apoclast
    apoclast
    May 8, 2011 via Android
    26
    我的疑问是python真的没有字节码优化吗?
    jjlovegrape
    jjlovegrape
    May 8, 2011
    27
    C++和JAVA基本就是手动档和自动挡的区别。各有各的优势。
    MCVector
    MCVector
    May 27, 2011
    28
    C/C++, Python, PHP都在学习当中,暂不作评论,感觉各有各的用处
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